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but jobs with his eye ever on the bottom line, Had a different view.
但是从乔布斯看来，这还没有触及他的底线
There were too many people at apple
有太多人站在苹果这一边了
And in the apple ecosystem playing the game of
而且在苹果公司系统里，常常玩着的游戏便是
"for apple to win, microsoft has to lose,"
"苹果会胜利，微软会失败"
And it was clear that you didn't have to play that game
然后你很清楚你没必要再玩这个游戏了
Because apple wasn't going to beat microsoft.
因为苹果公司不会想去打败微软
Apple didn't have to beat microsoft.
苹果公司没必要击败微软
Apple had to remember who apple was.
苹果需要牢记自己为什么是苹果
It was just crazy what was happening at that time,
那段时间真的很疯狂,
And apple as very weak, and so I called bill up
苹果很虚弱，所以我打给比尔
And we tried to patch things up.
然后我们尝试修补关系
I think he learned to be a better businessman.
我认为他学习到了如何成为一个更好的商人
I think he learned a little more humility.
我认为他学会了如何变得更加谦逊
Steve really changed in a number of ways,
史蒂夫真的在很多方面改变了自己
And he changed primarily because of failure.
最重要的因素便是失败
Failure affected him, and he learned from it.
失败影响着他，他从中学习教训
jobs created a brand-new product at apple, the imac.
乔布斯创造了一个全新的产品线，iMac
I think there was a decision to look different.
我认为那是一种从不同角度思考的决心
Remember,
记得吗，
their motto immediately after his return was "think different,"
他们在他刚刚回到苹果时候的广告就是"Think Different"
And he didn't say that because he didn't believe it.
他从来不那样说因为他坚信这点.
He really did want to think different,
他确确实实做到了不同凡想
And they would have to appear different To show that they were thinking different.
并且他们乐于用各种不同的方式展现他们不同的想法.
the pair joked about the relationship Between "mac man" jobs and "pc man" bill gates.
有一恶搞"Mac Man"乔布斯和"PC man"盖茨之间的搞笑组合
Pc guy is great but not a big heart.
用PC的家伙很伟大，但是没有雄心
His mother loves him.
他的妈妈爱他
His mother loves him.
他的妈妈爱他
Pc guy is what makes it all work actually.
PC guy是那种让任何事情循规蹈矩发展的家伙
Mossberg: all right.
没错.
It's worth thinking about.
这样想是很有价值的
The truth about bill gates is a brilliant man
事实上比尔盖茨是一个很有才华的人
Who you could and I did talk to for long periods about the future.
是那种可以和你与我谈论起未来滔滔不绝的人
He could think quite intelligently About the future,
他对于未来的想法很明智，
but the way microsoft worked As a business was far more incremental than apple.
但是微软比起苹果 有着过于商业化的运作
All the while, they were working on some big leap,
在那时，他们都是在巨大的变革之中
And microsoft tended to do the incremental stuff Almost all the time.
而微软趋向于任何时刻都在提升自己的附加值
