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What about the competition? Is that kind of a fun thing that many people are working on this all at once?
那竞争如何？跟那么多同行同台竞技有趣吗？
It's both annoying and motivating and fun. I'm sure you've felt similarly. It does push us to be better and do things faster.
既令人烦恼，又激励人心、充满乐趣。相信你也有过类似的感受。竞争确实敦促我们做得更好、做得更快。
We are very confident in our approach. We have a lot of people that I think are skating to where the puck was, and we're going to where the puck is going. It feels all right.
我们对自己的研究方法非常有信心。其他厂商朝着球所在的位置冲刺，而我们是朝着球飞往的位置冲刺。这种感觉还不错。
I think people would be surprised at how small OpenAI is. How many employees do you have? About 500, so we're a little bigger than before. But that's tiny. By Google, Microsoft, Apple standards.
很多人可能会惊讶，OpenAI规模居然如此之小。你们有多少员工？大约有500人，这还是扩张之后的规模。但和谷歌、微软、苹果比起来依旧很小。
It's tiny. We have to not only run the research lab, but now we have to run a real business and two products.
是的。我们不仅要运营研究室，还管理着整个业务体系和两款产品。
The scaling of all your capacities, including talking to everybody in the world, and listening to all those constituencies, that's got to be fascinating for you right now. It's very fascinating.
不断扩大业务规模，与全球各地的人们交谈，倾听支持者们的意见，你应该很享受这个过程吧。是的，非常享受。
Is it mostly a young company? It's an older company than average. Okay. It's not a bunch of 24-year-old programmers.
OpenAI员工的平均年龄很小吧？其实比一般公司的平均年龄要大些。好吧。我们并不是大家想象的一群20来岁的程序员。
It's true, my perspective is warped, because I'm in my 60s. I see you, and you're younger, but you're right. You have a lot in their 40s. 30s, 40s, 50s.
是我先入为主了，毕竟我已经60多岁了，所以看到你就会觉得是个年轻人。但你也40多岁了，没那么年轻了。OpenAI的员工也是。是的，30多、40多、50多岁的员工都有。
It's not the early Apple, Microsoft, which we were really kids.
这跟早期的苹果和微软不一样，我们当时就是帮愣头青。
It's not, and I've reflected on that. I think companies have gotten older in general, and I don't know quite what to make of that. I think it's somehow a bad sign for society, but I tracked this at YC. The best founders have trended older over time.
确实不一样，我已经反思过这一点。我认为OpenAI的整体年龄有点偏大了，不知道该怎么说，但这对社会来说是个坏兆头。我当初在Y Combinator的时候就关注过这个问题，发现随着时间的推移，优秀的年轻创业者越来越少。
That's fascinating. Then in our case, it's a little bit older than the average, even still.
这很有趣。所以哪怕是OpenAI，员工的平均年龄其实也挺大了。
You got to learn a lot by your role at Y Combinator, helping these companies. I guess that was good training for what you're doing now. That was super helpful. Including seeing mistakes.
通过在Y Combinator扶持初创企业，你肯定学到了很多东西，这些经验正好用来经营和管理OpenAI。的确很有帮助。但也有很多反面案例。
Totally. OpenAI did a lot of things that are very against the standard YC advice. We took four and a half years to launch our first product.
确实。OpenAI做了很多违背Y Combinator常规建议的事情。我们花了四年半才推出首款产品。
We started the company without any idea of what a product would be. We were not talking to users.
创办公司时根本不知道未来要开发怎样的产品，压根没与用户交流过。
I still don't recommend that for most companies, but having learned the rules and seen them at YC made me feel like I understood when and how and why we could break them.
时至今日，我仍然不建议大多数公司向我们学习，但在Y Combinator学习了这些规则后，我才明白了何时、如何以及为何我们可以打破这些规则。
We really did things that were just so different than any other company I've seen.
总而言之，OpenAI的成长路径与我见过的其他公司都截然不同。
