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Jim Carroll: So, would either of you comment, perhaps taking off from your comment on the difference between France and the United States.
吉姆:我也重复一下你的观点，或许从你的评论中，我们可以提取法国和美国的区别。
Maxine Hong Kingston: Well, we all belong somewhere. We have to belong. We have to be living somewhere on this earth.
玛克辛:的确，我们都属于某个地方，我们必须有归属感，我们必须生活在地球上的某个地方。
And so many nations have fallen, there's been ethnic cleansings, there's so many places.
并且许多民族消亡了，有过种族清洗，有许多地方。
And there are stateless countries. The UN actually doesn't even have all the countries in it.
有无国籍的国家，联合国甚至不可能聚集所有的国家。
There's a whole bunch of non-nations,
有一大堆没有国家的，
but they are peoples who don't have a nation to represent them and so they have gathered in a way.
但他们是一群没有国家可以代表他们的人，因此他们在某种程度上聚在一起 。
And I look at that and I think there has to be a way that we can find a place for everyone.
我看到这，觉得我们有方法去找到适合任何人的地方。
And when I look back at my own immigration history they're all illegal and when we think about illegal immigrants now,
并且当我回过头来看我们的移民史时，他们都是非法的，当我们现在思考非法的移民时，
I know what the argument is. They are breaking the law, they do not deserve our protection.
我知道争论是什么，他们违反法律，他们不值得我们的保护。
They do not deserve the benefits. Why don't they get in line with the people who are trying to immigrate legally?
他们不知道我们的救济。为什么他们不去符合那些合法移民的人呢?
When you look at illegal immigrants though, the United States has always had a policy where you could come here as a refugee,
当你看看非法的移民时，美国一直有一个政策你可以以一个难民身份来，
you could come here if you have some political persecution, but you can not come here, you are very last in line if you come for economic reasons.
如果你受到政治迫害，你可以来此避难，但你不可以来。如果你为了经济原因，你会被排到最后。
And economic reasons, it sounds like you're going to come and make a whole lot of money and take it back somewhere.
经济原因听上去像你来这儿赚的盆满钵满的，然后衣锦还乡。
